and martin is on the phone right now from belize city. i know it was really difficult to find him. what did he tell you, first of all? >> well, first of all, i mean, he maintains his innocence. and we grilled him over and over about this issue. look, if you had nothing to do with the murder of your neighbor, why don't you do the right thing, turn yourself into authorities. they said they only want to question you. he is terrified that is not what it's about. he said he had nothing to do with the murder, but fears that if he turns himself in to authorities he'll be murdered. he makes that point very clear, and he's adamant this is all part of some government conspiracy because he didn't pay the right person off in the government. of course, government denies that completely and says this is a nation of law. he will be treated with all the proper respect and with the right authority. he does not have to be on the run. >> i know this was a clandestine meeting. very difficult to secure. this is a man who eccentric is a fair word. i know he was in disguise. so tell me how you got it and